Podcast Episode

21 The Debrief - James Jensen

One True Measure
Sep 15, 202623 minEN

Who’s talking

2 speakers
Blake O'Connell17 min · 79%
Speaker 14 min · 21%

Transcript

683 turns · 23 min
Speaker 10:01

All right.

BO
Blake O'Connell0:01

He's, um, he's still on Europe time, mate. That's why [laughs]

Speaker 10:05

He's still jet lagged.

BO
Blake O'Connell0:06

Have to give [laughs] him a little bit in the next one.

Speaker 10:08

[laughs]

BO
Blake O'Connell0:08

Hey, guys. How are you? Uh, we're here today, uh, to review and debrief pod number... I- I was blanking, nine.

Speaker 10:16

M- yes, nine.

BO
Blake O'Connell0:16

Yes, pod, [laughs] pod number nine-

Speaker 10:18

Yes

BO
Blake O'Connell0:18

... with James Jensen. Um, awesome chat.

Speaker 10:22

Oh, yeah.

BO
Blake O'Connell0:22

Awesome guy.

Speaker 10:23

Yeah.

BO
Blake O'Connell0:24

Um...

Speaker 10:25

Scary stories.

BO
Blake O'Connell0:26

Yeah. Once again, like-

Speaker 10:27

[laughs]

BO
Blake O'Connell0:27

... super, super different perspective, right? Like, so James is, um, the second of what will be four veterans that we're having on season-

Speaker 10:36

Yeah

BO
Blake O'Connell0:36

... one. But he's got a different story, like, like in comparison of a lot of other people. Like, um, uh, was training as an officer-

Speaker 10:46

Yeah

BO
Blake O'Connell0:46

... and decided, you know, i- I don't know if it comes out in the, the actual story itself. Like-

Speaker 10:51

Yeah, it does

BO
Blake O'Connell0:52

... he had the choice between commissioning, so that's effectively becoming an officer-

Speaker 10:56

Yeah

BO
Blake O'Connell0:56

... right after all that work, and he was gonna go to 5/7, which is a unit was deploying to Iraq, right?

Speaker 11:02

Okay.

BO
Blake O'Connell1:02

So he's also gonna get that opportunity.

Speaker 11:03

Yeah.

BO
Blake O'Connell1:04

But then chose, you know, the, the other alternative is to go and be a soldier at 1 RAR, like, and restart, which takes like... You don't see that very often, someone going from being-

Speaker 11:14

Yeah

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Blake O'Connell1:14

... an officer.

Speaker 11:16

Was it like a week before?

BO
Blake O'Connell1:17

It was lit- he was literally done.

Speaker 11:19

Yeah.

BO
Blake O'Connell1:20

He was done everything. So the ne- the... My understanding is all he needed to do is be- effectively doing his commissioning ceremony.

Speaker 11:26

Yeah.

BO
Blake O'Connell1:26

It's like a passing out parade.

Speaker 11:27

Yeah.

BO
Blake O'Connell1:28

Like, he'd done everything. So, uh, for me, that says so much about him as a person.

Speaker 11:33

Yeah.

BO
Blake O'Connell1:33

Like, he... If you look at what he talks about and his personality, he's so 100% focused in, on what he stands for.

Speaker 11:43

Yeah. Yeah. You can tell by the way he talks as well.

BO
Blake O'Connell1:45

Oh, my G-

Speaker 11:45

Yeah

BO
Blake O'Connell1:45

... he's just so precise and adamant. Everything-

Speaker 11:50

Yeah

BO
Blake O'Connell1:50

... every question that he has, he thinks about, right?

Speaker 11:53

Yeah.

BO
Blake O'Connell1:54

And he's so precise. But I just think, like, for me, there's a lot to be said about, um, you know, his decision-making about, you know, in effect resigning his commission. He wasn't commissioned, but let's just say-

Speaker 12:07

Yeah

BO
Blake O'Connell2:07

... he was as an officer, to restart as a soldier-

Speaker 12:09

Yeah

BO
Blake O'Connell2:09

... because he wanted to be on the front line.

Speaker 12:11

Yeah.

BO
Blake O'Connell2:12

Right? And he wanted to serve as an infantry soldier.

Speaker 12:14

Yeah.

BO
Blake O'Connell2:15

It's pretty, it's pretty amazing stuff, and his experiences, obviously we'll, we'll talk through that as well, um, during the debrief. But yeah, just super interesting guy. Um, super knowledgeable. His leadership stuff I think is amazing, that I took from that as well.

Speaker 12:29

Yeah.

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Blake O'Connell2:29

Like, his, you know, his take on leadership is, is, is a really clear, honest, and I think genuine way of looking at leadership. And I think we'll probably get to in a little bit, is that one of the key points when I was thinking about the podcast is that for leaders to be a good leader, often you have to be led by someone who's not.

Speaker 12:52

Yep. Yeah.

BO
Blake O'Connell2:53

Which sucks, right?

Speaker 12:55

Yeah.

BO
Blake O'Connell2:55

Like, you have to know what it's like for someone to, you know, maybe not treat you the way that you deserved, or gaslight you to other people-

Speaker 13:05

Yeah

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Blake O'Connell3:05

... or not show up in a way that, you know, is the way you need to be. And imagine in a combat zone-

Speaker 13:13

Yeah

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Blake O'Connell3:13

... right? When you c- you

Episode notes

Blake and the team sit down to discuss the conversation with James Jensen, their takeaways, key learns, as well as heading down a few philosophical rabbit holes. In the chat the team talk through why James chose the front line over an officer's path despite graduating from ADFA, what 14 years as an SAS Patrol Commander taught him about leadership under real pressure, and how accountability looks different when lives are on the line. They also unpack his transition from soldier to consultant, and why he believes the principles that build elite military teams translate directly into building high-performing businesses.

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