Podcast Episode

How To Improve Mental Performance Dr. Peter Attia ~ Chris Williamson

Chris Williamson’s Podcast

Oct 17, 20269 min

Who’s talking

4 speakers
Peter Attia6 min · 76%
Chris Williamson1 min · 18%
Speaker 119 sec · 4%
Speaker 29 sec · 2%

1Transcript88 turns · 9 min

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CW
Chris Williamson0:29

Mentally or pharmacologically, what are you using if you need to dial in focus a little bit more?

PA
Peter Attia0:34

Nothing. Um, I d- well, I shouldn't say nothing. So I love caffeine, although I, I'm not convinced I'm really getting a benefit from a, from it. I am a very, very fast metabolizer of caffeine, so I probably consume 300 to 400 milligrams a day. But if I don't, nothing happens. Like, I, I can't appreciably tell a difference. So for me, it's I love the taste, I love the ritual, I love making coffee. My wife loves coffee. It's the one thing I can do first thing in the morning that makes her happy.

CW
Chris Williamson1:02

[laughs]

PA
Peter Attia1:02

Uh, you know, so it's like, y- you know, you know, it's, it's... So I don't, I, I don't... Even though people would argue that caffeine, of course, is a cognitive, uh, booster, um, I'm not convinced I appreciate the, the, the metrics of that. Um, I do occasionally, uh, put a nicotine patch in my mouth. I probably get more benefit from that. Um, truthfully, and maybe I'm just not aware of other products, the product I use I think is too high a dose, so you have to... It's a seven milligram pouch.

CW
Chris Williamson1:29

Hmm.

PA
Peter Attia1:29

So you have to kind of time it because, as you probably know, nicotine is a very unusual molecule where at low doses it provides a heightened sense of awareness, so it's actually concentrating you, but then you actually cross over a hump, and then nicotine becomes actually quite relaxing and sedating.

CW
Chris Williamson1:46

I didn't know that.

PA
Peter Attia1:46

Yeah. It's a, it's an unusual molecule in, in that, in it has behavior. So, um, both of those properties are ideal. It's great to be focused when you need to be focused. It's also great to be relaxed when you need to be relaxed. It's just you don't want those at the same time.

CW
Chris Williamson1:58

Yeah.

PA
Peter Attia1:59

So with these seven milligram pouches, and again, there's people watching this that I'm sure are gonna be like, "Come on, you idiot. Don't you know all this other set of products that are out there?" Um, I used to, I used to enjoy gum more 'cause you could chew two milligrams at a time, which was really the right dose to just induce the focus. Um, again, nicotine is an addictive compound, so I say, I don't say this lightly. Um, but for whatever reason, I don't appreciate any of that. So in other words, I might have it three times a week for a month and then forget about it for six months, and I don't seem to miss it in any way, shape, or form.

CW
Chris Williamson2:32

Hmm.

PA
Peter Attia2:33

Um, and obviously the mode of delivery matters, so, you know, I'm not remotely interested in, in-

CW
Chris Williamson2:38

Vaping it.

PA
Peter Attia2:38

Yeah. I'm not, I'm not at all interested in, in, in that. Um, it's, it's gotta be basically gum or a, a lozenge or something.

CW
Chris Williamson2:45

It's so interesting that the dose can take you from where you want to be to where you really don't want to be, but it's the same.

PA
Peter Attia2:52

Yeah. Or it depends. Like, again, sometimes i- if, if a, you

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