Podcast Episode

Fishermen “cautiously optimistic” about cod stocks in Newfoundland

The Current
Oct 2, 202621 minEN
Guests
LSLillian SaulDMDavid MaherDSDwan Street

Who’s talking

7 speakers
David Maher5 min · 24%
Rebecca Zandbergen5 min · 23%
Dwan Street4 min · 23%
Lillian Saul4 min · 22%
Johanna Wagstaffe38 sec · 3%
Steve Patterson36 sec · 3%
1 other27 sec · 2%

Transcript

76 turns · 21 min
JW
Johanna Wagstaffe0:00

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SP
Steve Patterson0:37

[upbeat music] This is a CBC podcast.

RZ
Rebecca Zandbergen0:42

Hi, I'm Rebecca Zandbergen, and you're listening to The Current podcast. The tide may be turning for Newfoundland's cod fishery. Nobody there forgets 1992 when Ottawa declared a moratorium on cod fishing. That fish was the heart of the province's economy and culture, and overnight, nearly 30,000 people lost their jobs. It was the largest layoff in Canadian history. In Bay Bulls, angry protestors confronted then Fisheries Minister John Crosbie, and he shouted right back.

JT
Joanne Thompson1:14

Abuse you.

SP
Steve Patterson1:14

I didn't take the fish from the goddamn water.

JT
Joanne Thompson1:16

Well, who took it? You, you and your goddamn people took it.

SP
Steve Patterson1:20

No.

JT
Joanne Thompson1:21

You and your people took it.

SP
Steve Patterson1:22

No, I'm trying to do my damn best.

JT
Joanne Thompson1:23

Yes, you're doing shit all, that's what you're doing.

SP
Steve Patterson1:26

No, I'm not doing nothing.

JT
Joanne Thompson1:27

You're doing nothing.

RZ
Rebecca Zandbergen1:28

In the decades since, Newfoundlanders left to find work in other provinces, and the industry shrank. But now cod is making a comeback. Earlier this year, Ottawa declared the stock healthy and raised the commercial quota, the allowable catch, by 55%. Here's Federal Fisheries Minister Joanne Thompson speaking to CBC Radio's The Broadcast.

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Joanne Thompson1:49

I can tell you, I remember the devastation and what it looked like in those years. And so to, you know, be in a place that I'm able to say the health of the stock is such that we can see increases across all aspects of northern cod fishery, that's a remarkable day.

RZ
Rebecca Zandbergen2:08

But the good news comes with challenges: ensuring the stocks stay healthy, finding people to catch all that fish, and getting younger folks to join an aging profession. David Maher is a deckhand on the Dalton's Pride in Admiral's Beach, Newfoundland and Labrador. He's in St. John's today. Lillian Saul is an inshore owner/operator who fishes cod, crab, and lobster in Twillingate. Good morning to you both.

LS
Lillian Saul2:34

Good morning.

DM
David Maher2:34

Good morning, Rebecca.

RZ
Rebecca Zandbergen2:35

Uh, Lillian, how is business these days?

LS
Lillian Saul2:38

Well, I bought my enterprise, this will be my third season, ending my third season soon. And the last three years have been awesome. I never imagined how good it could be the last three years. And, like, my first year I thought was awesome, but e- each year since then has only gotten better. This year has been absolutely stellar. So I can say only good things about the state of the fishery right now.

RZ
Rebecca Zandbergen3:01

Mm-hmm. A- and speaking of young people in the industry, you, you bought this when you were 27 years old and got into this. You're from the US, so how did you at such a young age find yourself in, in [laughs]

Episode notes

For decades, Newfoundlanders left the wharves and sought work elsewhere. Now with cod quotas up and a booming crab fishery, a new generation of fishermen is being drawn to the ocean. Lillian Saul and David Maher say they can't imagine doing any other job. But Fish, Food and Allied Workers Union President Dwan Street says the industry's future will depend on getting rid of barriers to entry and keeping the fishery sustainable.

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