Podcast Episode

Weekend Listen: The kid who confronted his abuser at residential school (via See You in Court)

The Current
Oct 3, 202637 minEN
Guests
WBWillie BlackwaterJMJackie McKay

Who’s talking

13 speakers
Jackie McKay14 min · 43%
Willie Blackwater8 min · 25%
Falen Johnson5 min · 15%
GJ55 sec · 3%
Art Thompson51 sec · 3%
Al Franczuk46 sec · 2%
7 others3 min · 9%

Transcript

140 turns · 37 min
Speaker 10:00

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Speaker 20:28

[bright music] This is a CBC podcast.

FJ
Falen Johnson0:33

Hey there. This episode includes some strong language and details about sexual abuse, residential schools, and intergenerational trauma. Please take care while listening. [dramatic music] [birds chirping] [church bell ringing] It's early morning, and 13-year-old Willie Blackwater is getting ready for the day. He's a student at the Alberni Indian Residential School. On this day, he tells his dorm supervisor he isn't feeling well. Decades later, he can still remember it clearly.

WB
Willie Blackwater1:19

And he said, "You don't look sick to me." I says, "Well, I'm not. I just wanna be with you." And his eyes lit up.

FJ
Falen Johnson1:36

The supervisor, 50-year-old Arthur Henry Plint, tells Willie he can stay behind, and the other kids head to class. Willie's plan is working perfectly. Plint makes him a special lunch.

WB
Willie Blackwater1:56

That was the best bloody meal I ever had in that damn horrible institute.

FJ
Falen Johnson2:06

And after lunch, Willie plays his part as he's played it before. [tense music] He starts massaging Plint, and when he does, the man closes his eyes and relaxes, and all Willie can think about is the knife tucked in his boot. Willie makes his move. He pulls the knife from his boot and holds it up to Plint's throat.

WB
Willie Blackwater2:44

I says, "I wouldn't move if I were you. I've been working on this bloody knife for six months. If I wanted to, I'd slice your bloody head off, and you won't have time to scream or nothing."

FJ
Falen Johnson3:04

This moment in 1968 is the first time Willie stands up to his abuser, but it's far from the last. [dramatic music] It was a rare and dramatic moment, a man confronting his abuser in a British Columbia courtroom.

AT
Art Thompson3:20

We're saying that they ran a school which permitted and, in fact, facilitated the activities of a predator.

PG
Peter Grant3:26

They were, like, simmering as they heard this evidence. People were really, really angry.

AT
Art Thompson3:30

The humiliation of it, it's like a disease. This man represents to me a scab.

FJ
Falen Johnson3:37

I'm Phalen Johnson, and this is See You in Court, a podcast about the cases that changed Canada. This story is about Willie Blackwater and 27 others who were sexually abused by Arthur Henry Plint and how they fought back against the architects of the Indian residential school system. Jackie McKay has the rest of the story. So Jackie, I'm First Nations, and I know you are Métis, and I'm pretty sure both of us have heard our fair share of stories about residential schools, but Willie's story, it's really remarkable.

JM
Jackie McKay4:15

Yeah, it's hard to imagine the kind of courage Willie would need to have to do this, and this was only his first act of resistance. And I wanted to know the whole story, so I met him in his home territory. [gentle music] What are we looking at?

WB
Willie Blackwater4:39

That's my

Episode notes

Willie Blackwater is just 13 when he holds a knife to his rapist's throat, demanding an end to his recurring abuse. It’s the first time Willie stands up to his residential school supervisor, but it’s far from the last. Years later, after a fateful encounter with a cop, Willie decides to break his silence — joining a group of survivors that help convict Arthur Henry Plint of 18 counts of sexual assault. But for Willie and his friends, it’s not enough. And a risky idea starts to form. Can they take on the architects of the residential school system? 

Host of See You in Court, Falen Johnson and journalist Jackie McKay meet the man behind Blackwater vs. Plint, one of the first court cases where residential school survivors took their abuser to court, eventually paving a legal path for thousands of other Indigenous children forced to attend these schools. This episode is part one, episode two can be found here: https://link.mgln.ai/SYICS2xTCxEP2

The stories behind the legal battles that changed Canada — and the unlikely people who made it happen. Some were sh*t disturbers, some were convicts, and some were just regular folks dragged into a fight. Each week, See You in Court digs into a case that challenged the status quo, and asks: what kind of person takes on the law? What are the costs? And what would our lives look like if

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