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86 turns · 1 hrIf you want to build an aircraft, you need to procure thousands of suppliers. Someone sends a confirmation of like, "Hey, sorry, like this part is going to arrive two weeks later." And if they miss this email, hundreds of millions of them.
Procurement historically may have been more in a box, and now it's like, okay, it's touching legal, it's touching finance, it's touching a bunch of different software systems and people. The opportunity for the AI native startup is to say, "We're gonna own that entire end-to-end arc."
No company and no enterprise starts with fully autonomous negotiation agents from day one. Why? Because they don't trust us, and they don't trust the technology from day one. And by having this human-in-the-loop approach, we are feeding our agent with all the feedback and all the learnings, and then they suddenly trust us for like 10K negotiation, 20K negotiations, 100K negotiations.
When you think about what a durable vertical AI company looks like, what are the qualities that you look for?
It's really, really hard to forecast your moat going forward. If you look back at all the best businesses, at the early stages, they were-
If the incumbent already owns the customer, the data, and the system of record, where does an AI-native startup have an advantage? In this episode, Elena Berger sits down with a16z partner Seema Amble and Leo co-founder and CEO Vlad Keil to answer that question through one of the most complex parts of the enterprise, procurement. They get into why so much of the actual work happens outside the system of record across emails, spreadsheets, contracts, engineering data, and conversations with suppliers. And Vlad explains how Leo is building agents that can coordinate that context and increasingly take on the job end to end. They also discuss how you earn enough trust to let an agent negotiate on your behalf, why building an internal AI tool can be deceptively easy until you hit the exceptions, and what changes when agents eventually sit on both sides of a transaction.
Welcome back to the a16z Podcast. I'm Elena Berger, and today I'm joined by Seema Amble, a partner at a16z, and Vlad Keil, co-founder and CEO of Leo, which builds AI agents for enterprise procurement. Seema, you recently wrote a piece called "The Incumbents Are Coming," and it asks a question facing almost every AI application company, if an established software vendor already has the customer and the data and the model can work across its tools, where does a startup have an advantage? And we have Vlad here, and Vlad can really help us understand where a startup has an advantage. So I think a good place to start is the cases for and against the incumbents. So if a company can connect a capable AI agent to the software it already uses, where does another application actually have a use case and an advantage there?
Yeah, let me back up and frame it up a little bit. So historically, we thought about there is the incumbent, and then there's the startup, and it's a fight between distribution and innovation, which to take my partner Alex Rampell's phrase. However, now there's like this third piece which you're pointing at, which is the incumbent can
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a16z’s Seema Amble and Elena Burger sit down with Lio co-founder and CEO Vladimir Keil to ask where AI-native startups have an advantage when incumbent software companies already own the customer, the data, and the system of record.
Their answer comes down to the work that happens outside those systems. In procurement, a final price in an ERP can hide hundreds of emails, spreadsheets, supplier conversations, engineering analyses, and decisions across legal, finance, and operations. Vlad explains how Lio uses multi-agent systems to take on more of that end-to-end work, from sourcing and RFQs to negotiation, shipment tracking, and invoices.
They also discuss how enterprises learn to trust agents with increasingly consequential decisions, why the last 20% of an internal AI build can require most of the effort, and what happens when both buyers and suppliers have agents working on their behalf.
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Follow Vladimir Keil on X: https://x.com/askvladi?lang=en
Follow Vladimir Keil on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vladimir-keil/
Follow Seema Amble on X: https://x.com/seema_amble
Learn more about Lio: https://www.lio.ai/
Seema Amble’s “Investing in Lio” article: