Podcast Episode

The Age of Body Futurism | Ruby Justice Thelot

The a16z Show
Episode 1199Sep 15, 202643 minEN
Host
EBElena Berger
Guest
RTRuby Justice Thelot

Who’s talking

4 speakers
Ruby Justice Thelot22 min · 52%
Elena Berger19 min · 46%
Speaker 359 sec · 2%
Speaker 410 sec · 0%

Transcript

94 turns · 43 min
RT
Ruby Justice Thelot0:00

Once we've reached the limits of innovation in Silicon, we turn the microscope towards ourself and try to optimize and innovate on the body.

EB
Elena Berger0:07

11% of US adults are on GLPs. 90% of Americans have heard of GLPs.

RT
Ruby Justice Thelot0:15

You wanna believe that you can be Amelie Marico-

EB
Elena Berger0:17

Yeah

RT
Ruby Justice Thelot0:17

... and eat salmon and rice and vegetables every day. Then you DoorDash food and you call it a day. [laughs] We live in a time of cultural confusion. We are submerged by para content, which is content about content. There was recently a study that did blind tests on people with Oura Rings and gave them the wrong number. They reported having a worse day in spite of the actual true number being correct.

EB
Elena Berger0:41

It's not like we're going to be surrounded by, like, super conventionally hot people. Everyone is not going to look like Clavicular. People are just going to do increasingly, like, strange biohack-y things.

RT
Ruby Justice Thelot0:56

I've made my mission to cut through the nonsense and answer the question of what actually is happening in the culture.

Speaker 31:03

Are peptides, protein maxing, wearables, and longevity clinics actually taking over, or does the internet just make it feel that way? In this episode, Elena Berger sits down with academic and cyber ethnographer Ruby Justice-Lullo to unpack the gap between what's happening online and what people are actually doing in the real world. They explore Ruby's idea of para content, where the conversation around a trend can become bigger than the trend itself, using today's wellness and optimization culture as a case study. From GLP-1s and peptides to Oura Rings, microplastics, and protein, they trace how niche behaviors become cultural conversations and sometimes eventually become mainstream behavior. They also look at the history behind our obsession with optimizing the body and what might come next. As technology gives us more ways to measure and modify ourselves, Ruby argues we may be entering an era of body futurism, where optimization becomes increasingly personal, fragmented, and extreme.

EB
Elena Berger2:05

I'm here with Ruby Justice-Lullo, an academic and cyber ethnographer, and we're here to kind of continue a conversation that we've been having, I think, for a little bit on how to actually kind of understand what's going on in the world, and especially on the internet, when there is increasingly no real delineation between the internet and the real world. And Ruby, I think actually a good place to start is a piece you wrote last year on para content. And from there, I think we can kind of take a step back and get into a couple topics and things that we've both been paying attention to recently.

RT
Ruby Justice Thelot2:48

Yeah. We live in a time of cultural confusion.

Speaker 42:51

I'm in a state, state, of confusion. Whoa.

RT
Ruby Justice Thelot2:57

Um, so many things are happening. It's so hard to, as you said, disentangle what is real to what is merely amplified by social media or the internet, or merely our small little algorithmic bubbles. I wrote a piece-- well, two pieces are germane to this topic. The first one is called The Age of Para Content, and the other one's called The Post Is The Product. In The Age of Para Content, I sort of present or reduce this idea of para content, which is content about content. And what I noticed taking a look at video game

Episode notes

Elena Burger sits down with academic and cyber ethnographer Ruby Justice Thelot to explore the increasingly blurry line between internet culture and the real world, and how to tell the difference between a trend that’s actually changing behavior and one that simply feels enormous online.

They use today’s wellness and optimization culture as a case study, from peptides and GLP-1s to protein maxxing, wearables, microplastics, and the quantified self. Ruby explains her concept of “paracontent,” where the conversation around a phenomenon can become much larger than the phenomenon itself, and what social media data can tell us about how these trends move from niche communities into the mainstream.

They also trace the much longer history of body optimization, from changing ideals of thinness to the rise of the quantified self, and ask what comes next as technology gives people increasingly granular ways to measure and modify themselves. Ruby’s prediction: rather than everyone optimizing toward the same ideal, we may see increasingly individualized and sometimes extreme forms of “body futurism.”

Resources:

Follow Ruby Justice Thelot on X: https://x.com/being_on_line

Follow Elena Burger on X: https://x.com/VirtualElena

Read Ruby’s piece “Enshittification” Isn’t Real:

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