Podcast Episode

Chips, Memory, and Power | Pat Gelsinger

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4 speakers
Pat Gelsinger39 min · 74%
Guido Appenzeller7 min · 13%
Raghu Raghuram5 min · 9%
Speaker 42 min · 4%

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Pat Gelsinger0:00

In a AI digital age, energy capacity equals economic capacity. Why build a new data center and buy the million GPUs if I can't power them? You're gonna see more and more defaults happening on many of those data center projects because the energy won't be there.

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Guido Appenzeller0:17

Whenever you have the technology to make something easy, that means the bottleneck moves somewhere else.

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Pat Gelsinger0:22

Nothing's a chip anymore. It's a rack. It took me three months to design it, but it's nine months until I can actually start to use it. Exactly how many major new memories have you had over the last thirty years?

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Raghu Raghuram0:32

Zero.

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Guido Appenzeller0:32

Zero.

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Pat Gelsinger0:33

Memory innovation for the first time in thirty years is nigh upon us. I declared the death of copper about twenty-five years ago. Eventually, I'll be right for all of us hardware guys. This is like renaissance in front of it.

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Guido Appenzeller0:44

Mm-hmm.

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Pat Gelsinger0:44

AI inference accelerator chips-

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Guido Appenzeller0:46

Yeah

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Pat Gelsinger0:46

... and I'm sure I don't even know them all. Why are you guys funding so many of those anyway?

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Raghu Raghuram0:50

Yeah. You funded your fair share too. [laughing]

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Guido Appenzeller0:53

Historically, there have not been a hundred competing processor vendors in any industry ever.

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Pat Gelsinger0:58

Yeah.

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Guido Appenzeller0:58

Is this a temporary thing-

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Pat Gelsinger0:59

Yeah

GA
Guido Appenzeller0:59

... it'll convert back to a few?

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Pat Gelsinger1:01

I see it as-

Speaker 41:02

AI is making it faster to design chips, but actually building them, powering them, and connecting them may be getting harder. In this episode, a16z's Raghu Raghuram and Guido Appenzeller sit down with Pat Gelsinger, general partner at Playground Global and former CEO of Intel and VMware, to discuss the next bottlenecks in AI infrastructure. Pat takes us back to his early days designing Intel's processors when engineers were inventing the tools they needed to build the chips themselves. He explains why AI could bring a similar shift today, even as manufacturing timelines, memory bandwidth, and power become harder constraints. They also debate whether the explosion of specialized AI chips will last, why Pat believes memory innovation is finally approaching a breakthrough, and how optical networking could change the architecture of AI clusters. In drawing on their shared history at VMware, they close with a question: What would it look like to rebuild virtualization for a world where AI agents rather than humans are the primary users?

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Raghu Raghuram2:08

I'm here with our esteemed guest and dear friend and former boss, Mr. Pat Gelsinger. Welcome, Pat. Pat is currently the general partner at Playground Global, but as you're very, very well known in the industry for leading Intel, for being the CTO of Intel, of course, leading VMware and many other things. So welcome.

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Pat Gelsinger2:31

Hey, thank you, Raghu. Great to be with you and Guido. Right, and to me, this feels just a little bit like old home, right?

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Raghu Raghuram2:37

Yeah.

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Pat Gelsinger2:37

We superimposed a year of change, right? But you both look the same. I feel energetic, so let's dive in.

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Raghu Raghuram2:44

There has never been a day when you stop being energetic, so [laughs] there's no news there. But yeah, no, let's start actually from your Intel career. Recently, Andreessen Horowitz created this Horowitz Andreessen Academy-

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Pat Gelsinger2:57

Mm-hmm

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Raghu Raghuram2:57

... which was to find talented people between sixteen and twenty-two, and then put them into a, a modern educational setting, so they'd be well prepared for either doing things on their own or joining the

Episode notes

a16z's Raghu Raghuram and Guido Appenzeller sit down with Playground Global General Partner and former Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger to discuss the next wave of semiconductor innovation and the physical constraints shaping the AI buildout.

Drawing on his experience designing Intel's 386 and 486 processors, Pat explains how AI could transform chip design, but also why faster design alone won't solve the industry's biggest problems. They examine the bottlenecks in manufacturing, memory bandwidth, advanced packaging, and power, and why today's explosion of specialized AI chips may eventually consolidate around a smaller number of architectures.

They also discuss the potential for new memory technologies, the shift from copper to optical networking, and why energy capacity could become a major constraint on AI growth. Finally, they revisit Pat's VMware years to ask what virtualization might look like when infrastructure is built for agents rather than humans.

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