Podcast Episode

Episode 22: Balancing on the Abyss, with Dave Karpf

Dreaming Against the Machine
Episode 23Sep 8, 20261 hr 8 minEN
Host
ABAdam Becker

Who’s talking

6 speakers
Adam Becker34 min · 51%
Dave Karpf30 min · 45%
Speaker 156 sec · 1%
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Transcript

140 turns · 1 hr 8 min
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AB
Adam Becker1:36

Welcome back to Dreaming Against the Machine. I'm your host, Adam Becker. This week's guest is our first returning guest. It is Dave Karp, again, who you may remember from a very early episode where we talked about a couple of books that we both didn't like. And this week... Dave, who is a professor of political communication at George Washington University and the author of several books. Dave and I are going to be talking about both the horrors of staring into the abyss of the tech industry and the current political moment, but also what we do to be able to keep doing that work in our daily lives, because that work is tough. It is soul crushing. And so we need things that can restore our souls. Whether or not you believe in a soul, I think it's important to work on taking care of it. And so that is what we're talking about this week. We're talking about balance. And so here's Dave. I blame vibe coding.

DK
Dave Karpf2:45

It is 2026. Everything's just slightly worse all the time.

AB
Adam Becker2:48

If only there were a word for that coined by someone who's been on this podcast. Yeah, this could be awesome. Use all of this. It's perfect. Yes. Welcome to Dreaming Against the Machine. This is our first repeat guest. Dave, welcome back. You know what this means. What does this mean? It means that your book didn't suck.

DK
Dave Karpf3:14

That's true. That's true. Excellent callback. You are one of the few people who has read it so far. Yes. And I'm honored and relieved to be invited back. Yes. Because we did say what it would mean if I wasn't.

AB
Adam Becker3:27

Yes, that's right. Turns out your book does not suck. But we are not here specifically to talk about your book, although I think we should have

Episode notes

This week, Adam and returning guest Dave Karpf talk about what it's like to gaze into the abyss of politics and tech as part of their jobs, and how to find balance and maintain their sanity while doing that work. Dave also talks about his work with the Sierra Club, and reveals his obsession with sandwiches. Read Dave's newsletter and preorder his new book now.

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Dreaming Against the Machine is a podcast about envisioning a realistic and hopeful future. Each week, the show’s host, journalist and astrophysicist Dr. Adam Becker, will have an earnest (and entertaining!) conversation with a guest about possible futures, seen through the lenses of history, science, and culture. In a world where tech oligarchs and their power fantasies are driving visions of the future, Dreaming Against the Machine aims to take back the terms of

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