Podcast Episode

ACLU sues city, SDPD over license plate reader technology

KPBS Midday Edition
Sep 30, 202615 minEN
Host
JHJade Hindman

Who’s talking

5 speakers
Frederick Carroll5 min · 34%
Homayra Yusufi5 min · 33%
Jade Hindman4 min · 28%
Speaker 120 sec · 2%
Speaker 518 sec · 2%

Transcript

26 turns · 15 min
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Jade Hindman0:30

Welcome in San Diego, it's Jade Hindman. On this episode of KPBS Midday Edition, what's in a new lawsuit against San Diego and its police department over automated license plate readers? This is KPBS Midday Edition, connecting our communities through conversation. So this morning, two civil rights organizations announced the filing of a lawsuit against the city of San Diego and its police department over the use of ALPR, or automated license plate reader technology. The lawsuit is filed by the ACLU of San Diego and Imperial Counties, along with the Partnership for the Advancement of New Americans, or PANA. The suit argues ALPR surveillance technology violates the California Constitution. So joining me to talk about it is Frederick Carroll, legal director with the ACLU of San Diego and Imperial Counties, along with Humaira Yousafi, a senior policy strategist with PANA, the Partnership for the Advancement of New Americans. Frederick, Humaira, welcome to Midday Edition. Thank you.

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Frederick Carroll1:44

Thank you so much. It's our pleasure.

JH
Jade Hindman1:46

Glad to have you both here. So before we get into the details, Frederick, remind us what we're referring to when we say ALPR technology. What does that term encompass?

FC
Frederick Carroll1:58

ALPR refers to automated license plate readers. It's a little bit misleading, honestly, because these automated license plate readers, or ALPRs, are cameras. And like any other camera, they capture anything in the view of the lens. And so they capture, among other things, license plates. But like any other camera, they capture and store and make searchable all of the data that that lens captures.

JH
Jade Hindman2:30

And this morning, the ACLU and PANA filed a lawsuit against the city and STPD over their use of this technology. Can you walk us through the central argument of the lawsuit?

FC
Frederick Carroll2:43

Absolutely. The California Constitution provides for us an affirmative guarantee to privacy. What I mean by that is that in its very onset, Article 1, Section 1 of the California Constitution guarantees privacy to Californians, and of course, that includes San Diegans. However, that fundamental guarantee of what our rights are supposed to protect and the ideals that we find as Californians and San Diegos to be fundamental means nothing if we are constantly under mass surveillance as we go about our day to day lives. And so we are challenging the mass surveillance through the Flock contract and the use of ALPR cameras as violating the law, violating the California Constitution that guarantees our right to privacy.

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Jade Hindman3:40

And I do want to note KPBS reached out to both the city of San Diego and SDPD for a statement on the lawsuit on behalf of our listeners and taxpayers. SDPD said it can't comment on pending litigation and the city has not yet responded. Humira, how or why did Pena get involved in this lawsuit?

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Homayra Yusufi4:04

Well, PANA got involved because we've actually been fighting against these ALPRs for quite a while. We do believe that the

Episode notes

The ACLU and other civil rights groups have announced a lawsuit against the city of San Diego and the San Diego Police Department over the use of automated license plate readers, or ALPRs.

The lawsuit argues that ALPR technology violates the California Constitution.

On KPBS Midday Edition, we speak with two of the groups bringing forth the lawsuit about their concerns with the technology and what they'd like to see change.

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