Brené Brown and Maya Talk “Heated Rivalry,” Mental Spirals, and Moral Beauty

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Pushkin. [singing] Hey, Slight Changers. When I was thinking about a launch event for my new book, The Other Side of Change, the person I most wanted to be in conversation with was social scientist Brene Brown. Brene's research has shaped how millions of us think about concepts like shame, vulnerability, and resilience, and her expertise felt so relevant to the themes of The Other Side of Change. And so, when I asked Brene, and she said yes, I was, of course, elated. She hosted a virtual conversation to an audience of early readers of the book on the night before it was published. We covered so much ground, and it truly felt like the conversation could go on for hours. It was a peak memory for me, and so I wanted to share it with all of you in the Slight Change community. I hope you enjoy. Okay, now over to Brene.

Hey, friend!

[laughing] Hey, Brene.

Hello.

How you doing?

I, I have read, I have learned... I have to tell you that I will-- Oh, my name's on the front. Let's read what I say about The Other Side of Change.

[laughing]

I say, "A rare combination of beautiful storytelling, cognitive science, and wholehearted wisdom." I am going to confirm this is true. I freaking love this book!

Thank you so much. That means so much to me. Oh, my gosh.

I love it.

[laughing]

And let me just tell you that I don't know how you thought of this appendix, where you go through, like, every chapter, what the science says, what you can do. I mean, I'm gonna