Podcast Episode

Be it resolved, it is in Israel’s interest to support a two-state solution

Who’s talking

13 speakers
Tzipi Livni24 min · 24%
Ehud Olmert22 min · 23%
Michael Oren21 min · 21%
Ayelet Shaked18 min · 18%
Rudyard Griffiths10 min · 10%
Speaker 12 min · 2%
7 others51 sec · 1%

Transcript

500 turns · 1 hr 40 min
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Ehud Olmert1:03

What we hope is a hope for something that has never happened before, that can change lives for everyone.

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Ayelet Shaked1:13

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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Tzipi Livni1:21

Because I support, I do support the two-state solution because I care deeply about one state, my state, the state of Israel.

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Michael Oren1:33

For now, the Palestinians do not want a two-state solution. They cannot sustain a state, and if they could, it would not be a peaceful state, but a launchpad for war. Do not opt for the surgery that kills the patient.

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Rudyard Griffiths1:47

On this episode, for the first time in our podcast feed, we're bringing you the full Munk Debate on a two-state solution. This took place this past December in front of a packed audience for 3,000 people at Toronto's Meridian Hall. Despite significant controversy surrounding the event, including protesters outside the venue and a few disruptions inside the hall, we successfully convened an important spirited debate featuring four compelling voices. The debate resolution, be it resolved, it's in Israel's interest to support a two-state solution. Arguing in favor of the resolution was the former Israeli Prime Minister, Finance Minister, and Mayor of Jerusalem, Ehud Olmert. His debate partner was Tzipi Livni, who served as Israel's Justice and Foreign Affairs Minister and as the country's chief peace negotiator in the 2008 and 2014 Palestine-Israel talks. Arguing against the motion was the celebrated historian, former Israeli Ambassador to the United States, and Deputy Minister in Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office, Michael Oren. His debate partner was Ayelet Shaked, who most recently served as Israel's Justice Minister and Minister of the Interior. As with all our live Munk debates, the audience voted on the resolution prior to the debate. Initially, 67% of attendees were in favor, 33% opposed. We did another poll at the end of the evening to find out if people had changed their minds. Before we give you those results, though, let's join the debate in progress with Ehud Olmert and his opening statement in favor of the motion, be it resolved, it's in Israel's interest to support a two-state solution. [audience applauding]

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Ehud Olmert3:36

The war in Gaza was unavoidable, the result of a very barbaric, horrific, murderous attack against innocent Israeli civilians. Not against army, not

Episode notes

This special episode features the full Munk Debate on the Two-State Solution, held before a live audience of 3,000 at Toronto's Meridian Hall in December 2025.

The debate resolution was: Be it resolved, it is in Israel’s interest to support a two-state solution

Arguing in favour of the resolution was former Israeli prime minister, finance minister, and mayor of Jerusalem, Ehud Olmert. His debate partner was Tzipi Livni, who served as Israel's justice and foreign minister and the country's chief peace negotiator in 2008 and 2014. Arguing against the resolution was the celebrated historian, former Israeli ambassador to the United States and deputy minister in the Prime Minister's Office, Michael Oren. His debate partner was Ayelet Shaked, who most recently served as Israel's justice minister and minister of the interior.

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