OpenClaw for normies is here

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We had a billionaire negotiate the price, and, like, Poke said, "Yeah, 136K a month."

[laughs]

And the payment went through. [laughs] Yeah.

He paid 136K a month?

Yeah.

What? This week on the show, we've got Marvin Von Hagen, the CEO of Poke, an AI that lives in your texts and can connect to pretty much everything. It's basically OpenClaw for normies. And as Marvin tells us, he thinks there's potential for this to be something that billions of people use. We chat about how he saw the AI agent trend early, charging a billionaire 136,000 a month for Poke and suing Meta. But first, Ellis and I chat about OpenAI buying TBPN, a new TV show about the tech industry, and why people in AI are working so damn hard. Welcome to Access. [upbeat music] It's Access time. I'm bringing that back. Ellis, uh, now that you're back from vacation, I have some news to share with you. I hope it's okay that this happened while you were out. I sold the podcast to Anthropic.

You're joking.

Yeah. Uh...

[laughs]

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[laughs] I'm so gullible. It's, like, genuinely a problem. This is why I wasn't a very good reporter.

[laughs] No. You, obviously, that's a joke. I'm, I'm joking about OpenAI buying TBPN. The amount of people who text-

No, dude, I literally, like, 35% believed you.

Oh, well. Great.

I mean, these days, you gotta turn everything into content, right? It's like, well, I gotta tell my co-host, but when better than on the actual show? I think s- the MrBeast, uh, content code of ethics would tell you to do so.

Yeah. And look, uh, I love our advertisers. Um, we have great advertisers, but, uh, I think we've found a new path, a new business path with the podcast is, is flip it to a lab. So we should just t- do a short list of labs we'd wanna sell to, and then, uh, we can gen that up.

Okay. On my to-do list.

[laughs] But you're, you're back. You were, uh... Oh, oh, you spent a week in Mexico, uh, hopefully with some mai tais, some Miami Vices. I saw your photos with the kids. Looked great. Looked like a good time. That first day back, which is when we're recording, Monday, is always a tough one I find from these vacations. What's, what was the vacation like, and what's it been like coming back?

Yeah, I mean, coming back is, is often, like, the depths of hell. Like punishment. Especially coming back to a startup where everybody is, quote unquote, "In the trenches" and is just constantly annoyed that you are not up to date on everything-

Yeah

... and you have, like, 500 Slacks to check. It, it can be absolutely brutal. And I mean, it can take a few days to even get back in the swing,