Podcast Episode

This AI tells you what your friends won't

ACCESS
Jun 24, 202653 minEN
Host
EHEllis Hamburger

Who’s talking

7 speakers
Jason Yuan35 min · 67%
Ellis Hamburger14 min · 27%
Speaker 51 min · 3%
Speaker 640 sec · 1%
Speaker 238 sec · 1%
Speaker 726 sec · 1%
1 other19 sec · 1%

Transcript

349 turns · 54 min
EH
Ellis Hamburger0:00

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Speaker 20:32

When I scraped my car in the parking garage, I was worried that it could be a long process to take care of it, like a landscaper's first day trimming a hedge maze.

Speaker 30:40

[hedge trimmer] I have definitely already been here. Now, was it left, right or right, left? Well, maybe I'll cut a path out and find my way back later.

Speaker 20:51

[hedge trimmer] But it wasn't like that. I filed a claim in under two minutes on the Geico app, and they handled it from there. It was taken care of almost as quickly as it happened.

EH
Ellis Hamburger0:59

It feels good to get help quick. It feels good to Geico.

JY
Jason Yuan1:06

[instrumental music] One thing that people will misconstrue Hivemind as is a toxic bullying, gossiping thing. The fundamental point of alignment for Hivemind is what we define our idea of a good story. It wants people to live good stories.

EH
Ellis Hamburger1:19

Is gossip good? That's the motto of Hivemind, a new AI service from visionary founder Jason Yuan. Where most AIs today search the internet for answers, Hivemind asks your friends. What do people think of your new do? Who should you date? What's the hot new spot to try? Hivemind cleverly solicits answers and weaves them all together, all through iMessage.

JY
Jason Yuan1:39

It went to one of my friends in New York City, and it was like, "Do you know any wine bars where non-[censored] boys go to?"

EH
Ellis Hamburger1:46

[laughs]

JY
Jason Yuan1:46

And she was like, "What the [censored] kind of question is this?"

EH
Ellis Hamburger1:48

[laughs]

JY
Jason Yuan1:48

Like, what are you trying to do?

EH
Ellis Hamburger1:50

Today we bring you an exclusive conversation with Jason covering his spicy launch video, Hivemind's origins, the ethical ramifications of AI systems like this, and much more. I'm Ellis Hamburger, founder of Meaning, a storytelling studio for tech companies. My co-host Alex is off this week on a private offsite with his AIs. Hmm. Without further ado, welcome to Access. Jason, my old friend, welcome to the show. First question, how are you doing? I know you've been through some BS over the 72 hours before launch, including-

JY
Jason Yuan2:25

Oh my God

EH
Ellis Hamburger2:26

... what was it? You, did you drop your MacBook on your toe-

JY
Jason Yuan2:29

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm

EH
Ellis Hamburger2:29

... as you prepped the final video rough cut for your launch?

JY
Jason Yuan2:31

Yeah. Yeah. I, um, I'm very clumsy, you know. Um, so I'm like stumbling up- around in my... I mean, the, the floor is very slippery, so I just... You know, I dropped my computer and then my instinct was like, "Oh, no, the video. What, [laughs] what body part do I sacrifice to keep the video-"

EH
Ellis Hamburger2:51

[laughs]

JY
Jason Yuan2:51

"... you know, for the art?" Um, so I stuck my toe out literally. Is that where the-

EH
Ellis Hamburger2:58

To catch it

JY
Jason Yuan2:58

... saying comes from? To... I caught, I caught... Well, the, the video is, is, you can... It's, it's, it, you know, it works. Um-

EH
Ellis Hamburger3:04

Yes

JY
Jason Yuan3:04

... we didn't lose, we didn't lose anything. Um, but, uh, my, my toe, my, my foot is not h- happy with me

Episode notes

Ellis sits down with Jason Yuan, founder of Hivemind, an AI that lives in your iMessage and sources answers from the people you actually trust instead of scraping the internet. They get into how Hivemind set Jason up on a New Year's Eve date by secretly polling his friends, why the product has a "constitution" for what makes a good story, how it scooped the Wall Street Journal on the Manus acquisition by six hours, and what happens when AI starts reasoning about your friendships. They also talk about the ethics of AI gossip, why Biz Stone invested after his own attempt at this with Jelly, and Jason's take on taste, meaning, and why great design should alienate.

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