Podcast Episode

The billionaire paying AI researchers to stay out of Big Tech

ACCESS
Jun 18, 20261 hr 15 minEN
Hosts
EHEllis HamburgerAHAlex Heath

Who’s talking

8 speakers
Andy Konwinski45 min · 60%
Alex Heath13 min · 17%
Ellis Hamburger11 min · 15%
Speaker 53 min · 4%
Speaker 753 sec · 1%
Speaker 236 sec · 1%
2 others40 sec · 1%

Transcript

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EH
Ellis Hamburger0:00

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Speaker 20:33

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AK
Andy Konwinski1:09

There's upsides and there's potential downsides, and that's true about technology in general. It's really true about AI, and I think we can cure cancer, perhaps most types of cancers completely by the end of my life.

EH
Ellis Hamburger1:19

What happens when every top AI researcher gets an offer they can't refuse? A few companies end up owning the future of the tech industry. Andy Konwinski, co-founder of Databricks and Perplexity, is trying to stop that. His new effort, LAAD, is putting over $100 million behind AI researchers to keep their work in the open instead of disappearing into big tech.

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Andy Konwinski1:39

Actually, LAAD sits at right there and kind of paving the path, and it helps students know how to capture the world's attention. It's that much more important in the time of AI because AI researchers have left society behind entirely.

EH
Ellis Hamburger1:51

This week on the show, we discuss how the top researchers actually feel about where AI is headed, Anthropic's recent controversy with its new model, Fable, and why Andy thinks big tech should fund the open alternative. I'm Ellis Hamburger, founder of Meaning, a storytelling studio for tech companies.

AH
Alex Heath2:07

And I'm Alex Heath, founder of sources.news, your home for scoops about the AI race.

EH
Ellis Hamburger2:12

Welcome to Access. [gentle music]

AH
Alex Heath2:18

Andy, great to be with you here in an undisclosed location on the east side of LA that could only be described for people watching on video as Hogwarts.

AK
Andy Konwinski2:27

[laughs]

AH
Alex Heath2:27

I don't know. Although there's a bust of Ben Franklin behind you, so maybe Hogwarts isn't fair.

AK
Andy Konwinski2:31

Maybe Ben Franklin was an alum of Hogwarts.

EH
Ellis Hamburger2:33

I think for anyone in tech who thinks they are a Renaissance man, this is where they would aspire-

AH
Alex Heath2:39

Mm

EH
Ellis Hamburger2:39

... to do their best thinking and writing in Obsidian.

AH
Alex Heath2:42

Yeah.

EH
Ellis Hamburger2:42

So, uh [laughs]

AK
Andy Konwinski2:43

[laughs]

EH
Ellis Hamburger2:43

We're, uh, we have Ben Franklin behind us. We've got some beautiful, uh, artwork. It is, it is genuinely inspiring.

AH
Alex Heath2:50

And your beard is also inspiring.

EH
Ellis Hamburger2:51

Yeah.

AK
Andy Konwinski2:51

Oh, well, thank you.

AH
Alex Heath2:52

Yeah.

AK
Andy Konwinski2:52

Yeah. This is apparently, like, nearly every issue of Science that was ever published in bound form.

AH
Alex Heath2:59

Behind us.

AK
Andy Konwinski2:59

Yeah.

AH
Alex Heath3:00

Beautiful.

AK
Andy Konwinski3:00

Behind us.

EH
Ellis Hamburger3:00

Wouldn't Claude love to be here too?

AH
Alex Heath3:02

[laughs]

AK
Andy Konwinski3:03

[laughs] Let's talk about Claude.

EH
Ellis Hamburger3:04

I'm sure it'll go in, it'll go

Episode notes

Alex and Ellis sit down with Andy Konwinski, co-founder of Databricks and Perplexity, to talk about his new effort Laude, which is putting over $100 million behind AI researchers to keep their work in the open. They discuss why top researchers are turning down millions to stay in academia, what happens to open science if the closed labs win, and why Andy thinks the AI industry has a serious communication problem. They also get into Anthropic's recent Fable controversy, the dystopian views some researchers privately hold, and how Andy used Claude to help his family navigate his mother's cancer diagnosis.

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