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There are some interesting nuances to evaluating models. A model that you don't like on day one can be a trash model. If you use it on low or medium thinking and you get rid of your skills, it's way better.

Today, we have a guest who has been living at the edge of how AI is changing work, media, and the internet. Dan Schipper, CEO of

Evry. You have to be willing to waste tokens. I was testing 5.6, so I woke up the next day to a message from Ariel saying, did you spend 2 billion tokens overnight? I was like, fuck.

Dan breaks down why he thinks we'll all spend more time inside AI coding agents, how every is building agents to scale human taste, and why the real opportunity is not automating everything, it's figuring out what humans do next.

Plus, his two phone system, billion token experiments, and why Siri may become a much bigger threat to ChatGPT than people realize. Welcome to Access.

I love your little every mic cube thing. Is there like an industry term for that that I'm not aware of?

I have no idea. This is like I actually I was thinking about this because this is the first time I've seen this. And I thought you guys would like this because it's sort of it's one of those things where you spend like six and a half years like pushing a boulder up a hill and you're like. um every single thing that happens you did and then and then eventually it starts rolling down the hill and you show up to your like recording studio and one of these is there and you're and you're like i had nothing to do with this but i love it you know and like that's a really nice feeling

that's when you know you've made it

that's when you know you've made it is you got the little cube and you didn't do the cube

But was it an actual member of the team that did it? Or was it a gun for hire hired by one of your agents who just swooped into the office, added that to your mic? It was

obviously Codex.

I mean, Poke did this the other day. Did you guys see this? They had Poke Humans launch on July 4th, and you could have them go do Task Gravity things, but I was too afraid to use it.

Poke bought by Cognition. Shout out Marvin, former guest. A sentence that only a certain cohort of people will understand. Cognition buying Poke. Those are two