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So you're saying with Hilton Honors, I can use points for a free night's stay anywhere? Anywhere. What about fancy places like the Canopy in Paris? Yeah, Hilton Honors, baby. Or relaxing sanctuaries like the Conrad in Tulum? Hilton Honors, baby. What about the five-star Waldorf Astoria in the Maldives?
Are you going to do this for all 9,000 properties? When you want points that can take you anywhere, anytime, it matters where you stay. Hilton, for the stay.
You've heard Tim Cook say it a million times. They're not first, they're best. In this case, they're two or three years behind. They wish they were one year behind, and that's historically where they are. They're pitching this local and private thing. I don't know if anyone would care or if it would change adoption versus Chad GPT or Claude or Gemini if it was like, we sent it to the cloud and you just have to trust Apple. Like, no one cares.
Ryan Jones has been one of the top indie app developers in the App Store for more than 13 years. He's watched new design aesthetics come and go. I don't like it. I'm going to say it right now, I don't like it. Played by Apple's ever-changing rules.
You expect for Cook, his App Store in particular, and that 30 percent cut it can take, sold
beloved businesses, and even won Apple Design Awards. Now he's building Flighty, one of Alex and my favorite apps for flight tracking. So who better to discuss Apple's latest updates from WWDC, the new Siri, and where vibe coding is actually headed?
Oh, is this the scoop for the show? This is the
scoop. All right. Access, right? God bless. I'm Ellis Hamburger, founder of Meening, a storytelling studio for tech companies.
And I'm Alex Heath, founder of Sources.News, your home for scoops about the AI race. Welcome
to Access. Ryan Jones, welcome to the show. How's it going?
It's good. Been a whirlwind the last couple of days between meeting Apple people, Flighty fans, trying to figure out what all this means for Flighty and me as a user and the world at large with the AI wars, everything. Lots of thoughts.
It was good to see you, Ryan, at your dinner you do after WWDC every year. I feel like that's become the quiet power center of indie app development. It's always fun to pop into there.
We're not supposed to talk about that, so you're banned from now on. Okay. It's fine, it's fine,
it's fine. You've been blacklisted. I mean, I'm sure the guest list is pretty popping, though, because you've been doing this for longer than pretty much anyone,
I feel like, at this point.
That is weird. I was thinking walking around dub dub on Monday that I wouldn't say we're the old guard, but it is weird because I still feel like we're brand new. But
Episode notes
Alex and Ellis sit down with Ryan Jones, founder of Flighty and 13-year top indie developer, to talk about what it actually takes to build a beloved app in the age of AI. They talk about Apple's big WWDC announcements, the new Siri, and why every vibe coder who tries to clone Flighty eventually gives up. They also break a scoop about Flighty's upcoming AI launch, get into whether craft and design still matter when anyone can build an app, and discuss whether Apple is falling dangerously behind on AI or not. Follow ACCESS on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/accesspodcast/ Follow Alex: https://sources.news/ https://x.com/alexeheath/ Follow Ellis: https://meaning.company/ https://x.com/hamburger ACCESS is produced in partnership with the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices