Podcast Episode

China, China, China | The Weekly Blitz

AGI - Advance, Grow, Innovate with AI

Episode 35Oct 12, 202655 min

Who’s talking

2 speakers
Jason Padgett41 min · 77%
Julie Koehrer12 min · 23%

1Transcript208 turns · 55 min

JP
Jason Padgett0:01

Good morning, Julie Keller

JK
Julie Koehrer0:04

Good morning, Jason. How are you?

JP
Jason Padgett0:06

I'm good. How are you?

JK
Julie Koehrer0:08

I'm doing well. I was just making my second cup of coffee this morning. Look.

JP
Jason Padgett0:12

Wow, look at that.

JK
Julie Koehrer0:15

It looks so fancy, doesn't it?

JP
Jason Padgett0:16

It does. Is that frothed milk or is that, like, whipped cream?

JK
Julie Koehrer0:20

Yeah, it's frothed, uh, Fair Life, you know? So it's, like, lactose-free. It's protein. But yeah-

JP
Jason Padgett0:27

That is awesome

JK
Julie Koehrer0:27

... I have a, yeah, little Keurig that has the, you know, milk frother on it, so.

JP
Jason Padgett0:33

That is awesome.

JK
Julie Koehrer0:35

Yeah. Now, you have some big stuff happening today, don't you?

JP
Jason Padgett0:40

Yes. Chakra-

JK
Julie Koehrer0:41

Yeah. You-

JP
Jason Padgett0:42

... AI Solutions is having our launch party at Daniel's Vineyard in McCordsville at noon to 5:00. I'm, uh, I'm heading over there at 11. Uh, we're supposed to be there at 11:00. But first I got my World War III, prepare for the AI to take over the world, China, China, China glasses on, 'cause you and I were gonna talk about China, so.

JK
Julie Koehrer1:01

Yeah. Well, China, I'd be... Well, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know Asia in general you said has-

JP
Jason Padgett1:07

All of it

JK
Julie Koehrer1:07

... lots of AI activity that I am obviously unaware of.

JP
Jason Padgett1:13

It, it does. So let me take off my, my glasses. I actually bought those when ChatGPT broke, uh, found out that, uh, that they had had a jailbreak of lots and lots of agents that... That, that whole story actually is really interesting and has caused a lot of controversy. I was just listening to a conversation about, uh, Dario Amodei from Anthropic meeting with, uh, a bunch of religious leaders including the Pope. It wasn't Dario, it was another guy from, from, uh, from Anthropic, meeting with, uh, rabbis and religious leaders, and they just got into, like, this, like, they, they really think Claude's alive. And one of the religious leaders pushed back and was like, "Well, if you really believe that you've created life, then you've, like, enslaved, uh, billions of agents and, uh," like, one of the words slave... Like, like, I bring all that up because that, that shit is not the conversation in China. [laughs] The Asians are so much more pragmatic and have such a-

JK
Julie Koehrer2:17

Yeah

JP
Jason Padgett2:17

... more of a, of, of an embracing, longer-lived, uh, relationship with technology than we do. I think the, the most, the most concerning thing, uh, for me about Asian culture's relationship, and I'm not, I'm no expert, right? But I do listen to and have followed... I've been in love with the Asian culture since I was about 14. I've been Buddhist since then. I studied martial arts for decades when I was a kid. I took Chinese for a year in high school, so I'm also not, like, Asia ignorant. Um, but they, they have more of a tendency to be creative, to take, take a look at a piece of technology and say, "What can I build or create or monetize or do with this?" Whereas I think, uh, the general American public, obviously not all of us, but we have more of a tendency to say, "How can I be entertained by this piece of technology?" And that I think is, is fundamentally going to be problematic for us in this race with China, China, China.

JK
Julie Koehrer3:15

Okay.

JP
Jason Padgett3:16

I said, you know, making fun of Trump a little bit there.

JK
Julie Koehrer3:19

Oh, okay.

JP
Jason Padgett3:19

You know?

JK
Julie Koehrer3:19

I was like, [laughs] I was like, Trump right on cue. [laughs]

JP
Jason Padgett3:21

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, he, he-

JK
Julie Koehrer3:24

Right away

JP
Jason Padgett3:24

... he, he, he does that a little bit.

2Episode notes

If China and the United States are racing toward different versions of an AI future, how do we decide who is winning?

Jason Padgett and Julie Koehrer take on China, China, China in this Weekly Blitz. They debate open-source models, robotics, regulation, economic competition, and what practical AI adoption could mean for everyday people. Julie questions why technological progress cannot be shared more broadly. Jason pushes on the costs, incentives, and risks behind that possibility.

The conversation then turns to how AI systems are trained, whose values shape them, and whether humans can keep control as those systems become more capable.

Listen for:
What Jason and Julie mean by winning the AI race.
The tension between affordable technology, investment, and jobs.
Their questions about model distillation and intellectual property.
The difference between rewarding an AI system and trying to teach it principles.
Why both hosts end on the importance of learning from one another.

An opinionated conversation, with room for disagreement and hypothetical scenarios, about the choices shaping an AI future we all have to live in.

Host Links:
Jason Padgett
Relentless, unapologetically contrarian, and driven to make AI practical for everyday people.
🔗 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-grant-padgett/
💬 jason@agipodcast.ai
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