Indiana Women in Tech Week 3 - Data Still Needs People | Toni Holcombe on AI and Data
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Hey, welcome back to the AGI podcast. Episode three of Indiana's Women in Tech Week, which I am just so honored to be interviewing somebody every day of the week because I've said a million times if we're going to develop nuclear level technology like artificial intelligence, we better not just have a bunch of testosterone Silicon Valley bros at the table. And second, I have three daughters. And so empowering women in STEM and tech has always been something that I was that I've been passionate about. I go to an AI and coffee meeting in Fishers. That's been a pretty big gathering. And this last week, I got to meet Tony Holcomb, who is a woman in data. Is that even more rare than a woman in the dev world? Introduce yourself and give us a little bit of your story, Tony.
Well, hi, my name is Toni and I am very honored to be here. When you asked me to be on the show, I was like, what, me? Really? And then, so I find it really weird that you think it is odd for a woman to be in data because that has been like very normal for me.
Well, when I go to the chief data officer's meeting, I don't see a large portion of. So I'm kind of an outlander when it comes to data. That I will definitely admit. So I could definitely be wrong. I was lucky enough to ask about something that you and I were talking about off camera when they started the chief data officer's meeting. I was working for a community paramedicine company and trying to basically, for a small business, create an AI native environment. in a HIPAA-safe environment. And I went and asked some questions at a booth they had for the chief data officer, and they're like, you should just come to our group. And so I do, and I just sit there and learn all the time. But yeah, I have a much better finger on the pulse of the developer's world than I do the data world. So it sounds like I'm wrong on that, and that it is highly infused with women.
I don't know if I'd be highly abused. I know that there are a lot of women that I am connected with that do do data. So I guess we'll start at the beginning. I started my career in tech, and I'm going to date myself here, working as tech support for Gateway. You remember Gateway Computers, the Cal computers? I was at Gateway, yes. Yes. I did tech support way back in the day. And after that, we moved, we did some moving and I ended up being a paralegal for a number of years. And that was a really rewarding career. I got to work with families dealing with high emotional, high value conflicts. And I found myself at a crossroads. It was either go to law school, which I wanted to do. and become a lawyer, which I did not want to do, or pivot. And I ended up in a role at a construction company. It was called Data Specialist, which was basically just data entry. And about a year into that, I was like, this is ridiculous. This is so hard to do it this way. There has to be a better way. So I started teaching myself Python. And I looked through the programming at WGU and decided that what I needed to do was complete my bachelor's degrees to get that foundational technical background. I got my A+, my network+, all of those fun certificates. And then that's when I moved on to the
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DESCRIPTION
What happens when you put an AI model on top of a pile of files nobody has cleaned up? Toni Holcombe has a name for one version of that mess: a data swamp. And she has a clear answer when Jason asks whether AI will make data people irrelevant: someone still has to connect the words business users use with what the data actually means.
For episode three of Indiana's Women in Tech Week, Jason sits down with Toni, a data strategy and governance professional he met at an AI and Coffee gathering in Fishers. Toni traces her path from Gateway tech support and paralegal work to teaching herself Python, building a data warehouse, and leading people through data work. They unpack bronze, silver and gold data layers in plain English, talk about structured and unstructured information, and examine why a confident answer from an LLM still needs checking.
This conversation is for anyone trying to make sense of the data inside a small or growing organization, and for anyone curious about a career that mixes technical skill with people skill.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Jason meets Toni during Indiana's Women in Tech Week
02:07 From Gateway tech support to data analytics
05:38 The data terms small businesses keep hearing
06:22 Bronze, silver and gold: from raw records to useful reports
**08:29 Structured files, unstructured files and confident AI