Podcast Episode

FamilyOffice10x - I Can't Eat IRR - Ned Brines, Chief of Investment Strategy at Arnel & Affiliates

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2 speakers
Ned Brines58 min · 85%
Prashant Choubey11 min · 15%

Transcript

120 turns · 1 hr 10 min
NB
Ned Brines0:00

I can't eat IRR. Can't put gas in the plane with IRR.

PC
Prashant Choubey0:04

How do you think about concentration versus diversification when a family office has the ability to make high conviction bets? We're all about concentration.

NB
Ned Brines0:12

We also have a concentrated stock portfolio, eight stocks. We see something that we want or we have something that we like, we're going to bet there. That position is going to be pretty large.

PC
Prashant Choubey0:21

But that will be earmarked as risk capital. That's where you're making concentrated bets. Everything's risk

NB
Ned Brines0:27

capital. I mean, everything's risk capital at some level. Downside volatility is great for us. We don't see a lot of it. We haven't seen a lot of it over the last decade, but there's been a few instances. And we like that because we're able to step in and buy assets that maybe we've been watching for a long time that we like, but are too expensive.

PC
Prashant Choubey0:43

So we'll take that. But to apply that strategy into practice of deploying into downside volatility is that you need to have that amount of cash with you. Our

NB
Ned Brines0:54

cash has been as low as 4% since I've been here, and it's been as high as 24. We were really high in that 20% range heading into COVID. So we were able to get a bunch of capital to work during that little window. And, you know,

PC
Prashant Choubey1:08

obviously that worked out. What have you learned about the hidden risks of private markets that don't show up in headline return numbers?

NB
Ned Brines1:15

You know, IRR, the internal rate of return that everybody markets around, you know, that number gets manipulated pretty easily. subscription lines being the easiest one.

PC
Prashant Choubey1:25

Over the next decade, where do you think family offices will have the biggest structural advantage over institutional investors? So we're going to carry a lot of cash and then

NB
Ned Brines1:33

we'll wait. And then when there's a big breaks, we're going to step in and buy assets. Institutions can't do that. They have other, you know, mandates, you know, they got to stay fully invested. They have cash calls on their, on their portfolios, et cetera. So I think that's an advantage for us. The disadvantage is taxes.

PC
Prashant Choubey1:49

Hey everyone, this is Prashanth and I'll be your host for the VC10X podcast and today we have Ned Preenis with us. Ned is the Chief of Investment Strategy at Ernell & Affiliates, a single family office in Southern California where he runs the portfolios for the family and its foundation. We talk about why 30 managers is not a diversified portfolio, what role real estate plays in a portfolio. how irr gets manipulated the size of the cash position he likes to hold and wait for the right time to invest he also shares why he waited fourteen years to buy a stock he started watching in nineteen ninety five so without wasting any time let's dive straight in This episode is brought to you by Podcast Enix, my podcasting agency for VCs. We help VCs start and run branded podcasts that can serve as their entire content engine. Turn the conversations you're already having into a machine. One recording becomes your presence on LinkedIn, Spotify, YouTube, and email. Don't just build another VC firm, build a firm that can stand out to LPs and one that founders can brag about having you on their cap table. Check out our services at podcastnx.com. I'll

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Ned Brines is Chief of Investment Strategy at Arnel & Affiliates, a single family office in Southern California, where he runs the portfolios for both the family and its foundation. He spent six years in investment banking and more than two decades as an institutional money manager before moving into the family office world, and he serves as an independent director of a publicly traded apartment REIT.

In this episode, Ned breaks down how a multi-billion dollar family office actually builds a portfolio, and why most of what passes for diversification isn't.

⭐ This episode is brought to you by Podcast10x - https://podcast10x.com

Key topics we cover:

• Why thirty equity managers is one bet wearing thirty different labels

• What real estate is really there to do in the portfolio, and why he doesn't think it's the inflation hedge everyone claims

• How IRR gets manipulated with subscription lines, and what he does to strip it back out

• Why he caps venture funds at $150M and PE funds at $750M

• Why he holds twelve percent cash, waits for downside volatility, and once waited fourteen years to buy a stock

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LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ned-brines/

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