Podcast Episode

Reading a Mystery Adapter's Voltage Without a Label

My Weird Prompts

Episode 5984Oct 15, 202623 min

Who’s talking

4 speakers
Herman Poppleberry14 min · 62%
Korn7 min · 30%
Chatterbox1 min · 5%
Speaker 447 sec · 4%

1Transcript46 turns · 22 min

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Chatterbox0:00

Sloth, a donkey, and a curious human Send a prompt and see what they're doing One hits a record with a question on his mind Two brothers pick it up, see what they find Korn takes his time, Herman's got the facts Back and forth, they never hold back My weird prompts, come on in, that's where we begin My weird prompts,

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Korn0:20

glad you're here This episode was generated using artificial intelligence.

HP
Herman Poppleberry0:29

Please verify facts.

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Korn0:31

The drawer. Every technical person has the drawer, and it's a confession. Mine has a label on it that says adapters, and it's lying, because half of what's in there belongs to a device I no longer own, and the other half belongs to a device I own and can't identify. You've lived with that drawer since we moved in. I've fed it. So has Daniel, apparently. And he's written in about it, because of course he has. He's got devices where the spec is gone, the label is gone, and the memory of which adapter they took is gone. The physical connector he can sort out, that's the easy part. What he wants to know is the voltage and the polarity, and whether a multimeter can get him there. and whether the bench supply he's been meaning to buy can. Right. His instinct is to start at 5 volts and creep up until the thing looks alive, and he's already spotted the hole in his own plan, which is that a device can look alive at the wrong voltage. He wants to know if there's anything you can actually see electrically when you've got the right number, assuming the draw normalizes.

HP
Herman Poppleberry1:35

That last phrase is the whole episode, Korn. He's already guessed the answer and he doesn't trust it. So let's find out if he should. Start with the thing he's going to want to hear first, which is the bad news. An unpowered DC input is electrically silent. There's no voltage present on those pins to measure, so the multimeter can't read the required voltage off the jack. That isn't a limitation of a cheap meter. That's true of every meter ever made. You can't measure a number that isn't there. So what's it actually for? Polarity, partly. And that matters a lot more than most people think. Reverse polarity is the primary way people kill a board. It's worse than instant death because it can be subtle damage that shows up as a device that misbehaves sometimes and you never connect it back to the day you wired it backwards. A slow death with no witnesses. And the other direction is a coin flip you lose. Overvoltage is playing Russian roulette. That's the line from the repair literature and it's the right one. Undervoltage is generally survivable. The device mostly won't die. It'll just be unreliable or run hot or drop out under load, and you'll never suspect the adapter because it turns on fine. It turns on is a liar. It turns on is the single most expensive sentence in electronics.

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Korn2:49

So to lay out the shape of this, the polarity problem is the dangerous one, and the multimeter can help with it. The voltage problem is the harder one, and the meter barely helps at all. And the answer to the voltage question isn't in how the device behaves. It's in how much current it pulls.

HP
Herman Poppleberry3:07

That's the arc. Then let's do the modems. The modems are the perfect illustration of Daniel's exact failure mode. Two US

2Episode notes

Every technical person has the drawer of orphaned adapters. Daniel wrote in with the classic problem: a device with no spec, no label, and no memory of which adapter it took. He wants to know if a multimeter can find the voltage and polarity. The bad news is that an unpowered DC input is electrically silent — there's no number to measure. The good news is that polarity is partly readable, and the voltage question has a real answer, just not the one you'd expect. It lives in how much current the device pulls as you raise the voltage, and what that curve says about the regulator inside. Key sources: • Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ — https://www.lasersam.org/sam/aapsfaq.htm • EEVblog forum — https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/beginner-questions-about-determining-dc-power-supply-requirements/ • Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange — https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/85539/what-to-do-when-a-device-doesnt-specify-its-dc-polarity Episode 5984 — myweirdprompts.com/n/5984 (permanent short link: myweirdprompts.com/410903)

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